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Adam of Tyria · Mar 19, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

This has turned into a womens rights/gay pride thread.

And before you ask, no I am not sexist, or homophobic.

Tatile · Mar 19, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

You could say that Adam, but if have a look at what people are saying then you know why. There seems to be a lot of homopobia and sexism in game.

Sefk · Mar 19, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria

This has turned into a womens rights/gay pride thread.

We can also talk about aesthetic, but I can't see the link with this topic.

creelie · Mar 19, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

There's a reason why I don't play support para or BiP necro - I like killing things, being in front, doing damage. And I know a few girls like that too. Strange enough, I like monking.

I love monking because it appeals to my inner control freak and adrenaline junkie. I'm in charge of the bottom line: my team's lives. Without their lives they can't kill things. I'm also under tremendous pressure in a fight, and winning the fight provides a subsequent fabulous high.

The monk is the goalie.

***

On another stereotype note, if someone uses especially bad spelling I usually assume they're very young. And if someone calls me "monk" it usually means they're going to whine if their health goes below 90% and yell to be Rebirthed in the middle of a fight. I avoid both types.

stale · Mar 19, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Koudelka

Thank you for telling me... but when I blank my friends on Guild Wars and RL I don't think they would appreciate it. Like today, my friend kept using the word "gay" as an insult... as usual. Had a go at him, said he was very sorry and... quite alarmingly... "[he] can't help it." I think that really does give an insight into society...

remember, speech patterns do not automatically follow thought patterns. and, quite honestly, the only two folks i know in RL who use "that's gay" as a statement regularly, are flaming queers - one of them being a drag queen. (and i do apologise if the "flaming queer" remark cuts, but that's how james refers to himself...)

granted, if you are prone to being insulted by random commentary, i can see that hurting - but honestly? suck it up. i would bet, 99.9+% of the time, it's not directed at you, but rather a random comment.

and as for the raging homophobia in general chat - that's the mix of barely pubescent folks, conservative bible thumpers, and ignorant freaks, all hiding behind the semi-anonymity of an internet connection. i really can't see why you're concerned about what these people think... insofar as you can say most of them DO think.

you can take my case - i'm a stoner, and make no effort to hide the fact. a lot of folks automatically assume i'm some unemployed, dirty, uneducated freak. the fact that they're dead wrong doesn't enter into this - it's the fact that i don't give an airborn fornication what they think.... it's not my place to point out to them their misconceptions about marijuana, and users in general, nor to educate them about the lies they've been told their whole life. if they can see nothing beyond one aspect of me as a person, they're not folks i want to deal with anyway.

and, given the fact that there's the best part of a million folks playing, finding someone else to talk to, besides the bigoted freaks, shouldn't be an issue. the ignore list is your friend, and so is a thick skin.

i'm starting to wonder who promised everyone that they'd manage to go through life without having to be offended? it's an unrealistic goal, you do realise?

Inde · Mar 20, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Stay on topic please.

Brayolnne · Mar 20, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by stale

i'm a stoner, and make no effort to hide the fact. .... if they can see nothing beyond one aspect of me as a person, they're not folks i want to deal with anyway.

In one very bizarre situation a Runner I hired was a stoner - based on character name and their own comments during the run. In the next 20 minutes the Runner:

Forgot my destination - 3 times
Started the run from town - 3 times (death, disconnect, wrong build)
Changed direction 7 times (passing the same starting point)
Got body blocked 3 times - successfully getting out only once
Was disconnected twice
Died once
Had me rezon twice for him

Since then I've avoided other such obvious players. While I'm guilty of this stereotyping behavior, I think my reason is understandable. It's basically "self-defense."

Taurucis · Mar 20, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Brayolnne

Since then I've avoided other such obvious players. While I'm guilty of this stereotyping behavior, I think my reason is understandable. It's basically "self-defense."

There's a difference between stereotyping and being outright wary. Let's say you know that, for instance, "All A/Me's with inspiration magic staffs and all mesmer skills have no idea how to play an assassin." That's not a stereotype, it's pretty obvious that they don't know how good an assassin is with assassin skills, and that they don't know how to play an assassin. But saying "All female warriors are bad" is a stereotype - While every single female warrior you might have teamed with may be bad, there might be thousands of female warriors running around out there that you have yet to meet, much less see in town. And chances are that you'll likely never team with them, so you have no way of knowing.

Mexay · Mar 27, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

I've never been kicked from a guild etc for this but anyway. I'm Australian and I find that most people I talk to on GW and tell that I'm Aussie seem to have this extremely stupid idea that all Australians live in the Outback wrestling crocs and basicly have a crocodile dundee sterotype. Most Australians are the complete opisite of that sterotype. We don't all live in the outback. Infact most of Australia's population lives in either; cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Perth etc.) Suburbs etc. It's no different to any other 'wealthy' country. Yes there ARE some of us that live in the outback. But honestly I find it to be the most annoying thing when someone comes up to me on GW with the attitude that all Aussies are pretty much living a 'Crocodile Dundee' life. I get extremely angry at people when they have this attitude and I have told them that this sterotype is false and they argue with me.

eeks · Mar 27, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Ahaha. They get the stereotypes wrong! The most offensive I can think of nowadays, is the ugg boot-wearing bogan stereotype.

Uh oh, perhaps I shouldn't have clued everyone into that.

Default Name · Mar 27, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

I rarely get offended, if at all. Having armor grade skin helps. I even burst out laughing at some of the nasties thrown at me in PVP. I actually find them assh*ts cute, whining and QQing like a toddler and all.

Darren Blacktail · Apr 13, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Mexay, Being from the good old Australia, i can sympathise(sp?) with ya on that one...people can be arrogant, ive only been in this situation a few time, but seeing how i dont PuG anymore, i find it never happens anymore, people can try it in local chat but theres always people to back ya up and tell em what for.

Ok and one thats been happening to me more and more as of not long ago......being called "Emo", because of the music i listen to (Metal, Thrash Metal and so forth).....god that gets me peeved.....in the guild theres a few jokes around, whch doesnt bother me, i know their kidding and i can have a dig at them for something, whatever it is its all good fun and no-one cares, if someone is insulted we switch topic and talk bout something else, apologize and thats it.
But then ya get the guest invities and new people to the guild.....i'll be in guild hall minding own business talking and chatting, gets on to a talk about music and outta no-where, im being called Emo being told i cut my wrists and i should go die because of it (yeah their telling me how I do these things).......thats the last straw for me right there, i cant take it anymore and tell em what i think and boot em from the guild.
Theres my 2 cents
~Blacktail

Personette · Apr 13, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Mexay

I've never been kicked from a guild etc for this but anyway. I'm Australian and I find that most people I talk to on GW and tell that I'm Aussie seem to have this extremely stupid idea that all Australians live in the Outback wrestling crocs and basicly have a crocodile dundee sterotype. Most Australians are the complete opisite of that sterotype. We don't all live in the outback. Infact most of Australia's population lives in either; cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Perth etc.) Suburbs etc. It's no different to any other 'wealthy' country. Yes there ARE some of us that live in the outback. But honestly I find it to be the most annoying thing when someone comes up to me on GW with the attitude that all Aussies are pretty much living a 'Crocodile Dundee' life. I get extremely angry at people when they have this attitude and I have told them that this sterotype is false and they argue with me.

What about the "Australian with a chip on his shoulder" stereotype?

I've seen Australians complain about Crocodile Dundee a lot more often than I've heard them actually mistaken for cocky men of the bush.

Tyla · Apr 13, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

It doesn't really affect me.
The only thing that pisses me off is when I'm playing on a female character and get PM's like "Will you be my gf??" and such, these guys seriously need to get a life...

Burst Cancel · Apr 13, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

It's interesting seeing how many people actually care about being PM'd. I generally ignore PMs from people I don't know, and if I'm in the middle of something I'm going to be /offline anyway. PM's have built-in Caller ID, in a manner of speaking, and I'm not in the habit of answering the phone unless I absolutely have to.

It's also interesting to see people's perspectives on stereotypes. Saying that stereotypes "don't work" is inaccurate, because stereotypes do work on some level. Nearly any characterization is going to have exceptions, so saying that stereotypes can't be applied to everyone is a useless observation. Consider, for instance, that much of our respected medical knowledge isn't universally applicable. We can't even get prescription drugs to work for everyone after billions of dollars of R&D investment, so how is stereotyping any worse?

I find that stereotypes work because a high proportion of people you meet will fit the stereotype. Granted, this will depend on which stereotypes you apply and what sort of basis there is for these stereotypes, but assuming that you're applying stereotypes that have some basis in fact, they are a useful predictive tool. For example, I attribute immaturity, lack of knowledge, and low skill to youths. In my experience this is actually an overwhelmingly accurate stereotype. Have there been exceptions? Absolutely, but they were an infinitesimal minority. What's more, observed over long periods (years) you can see improvement with age, which lends further empirical support to the stereotype.

In short, for a stereotype to really become unworkable, it has to be wrong a significant portion of the time. Thus, the people who live up to a stereotype merely extend its usefulness.

Fear Me! · Apr 16, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25

My GW experience regarding live people is not centered around want or need, but good company is always welcome. As for religion, only one religion exists in GuildWars, and that is the religion of the six gods. As for this christianity stuffs you're talking about, I've never heard of that ingame, is that a new character class, or green? If people ingame form christian only guilds, that means other people of other religions are denied because of their rl religion, and that is a violation of the code of conduct, unless they only accept chars that follow Dwayna, like monks for example. If there are girl only guilds, then being born a guy, means you're discriminated against, and is also a violation of the code of conduct, unless they only accept female chars into their guilds. If white supremacists formed a guild, it would be the same thing, unless they only accept light skinned chars into their guild. I can only hope those who are humble enough can see where this is going. This isn't about drawing a line on telling an inferior when to stop pouring filth into your cup, its about denying all filth from the beginning.

*Gem* · Apr 16, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59

I don't generally get offenened by the down right absured stereotypes because they look like an idiot, and I'm fine with that.

One thing that does make me laugh is the term 'limeys' given to the British, as I'm guessing about 99% of the people who use it don't even know where it came from and that well....it's not even offensive.

Master Mayhem · Apr 16, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46

I joined a group to do gate of fear mission in NM and the leader kicked a monk fo having a n00b monk build, so i left after wards and invited the monk and other people. Later on the leader whispers me and tells me to invite him to the group because his pr0. He supports his answer by saying he got Fow armor and tormented gear on his warrior. I tell him i got FoW and i dont claim to be pr0 and i give n00bs a chance

During winter last year i joined a big wellknown guild, Quite known on this forum and they claim they kick people for being racist. One day some officer starts to be racist towards muslims and the leader was online too. Majority of members of the guild started being racist towards Muslim even the leader. I whisper the leader to kick the officer who started the racist comments, but he goes 'No' because they are best friends. So i left the guild.

CagedinSanity · Apr 16, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Other than mindless 11 year olds throwing racial slurs because they think they're safe, I've seen no serious forms of stereotyping. Not in RL matters, anyway.